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	<title>Comments on: Benny on Bligh</title>
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	<description>Where being boring kills (cf Acts 20)</description>
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		<title>By: Leah</title>
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		<dc:creator>Leah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 11:11:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Pfft. A conscience vote has no chance of reflecting how the Australian community is feeling.&quot; 
 
Well theoretically, it&#039;s supposed to. The idea is that as a democracy we have voted in politicians who feel the same way we do, and so they vote in line with our beliefs (especially on conscience votes when they&#039;re not restricted by party lines). Of course democracy is flawed and we often end up with politicians who do not feel the same way we do, but it&#039;s the closest way the government is going to get an indication of how the Australian community is feeling via a vote without going to a referendum. (Of course there are other non-voting ways such as polls and petitions etc but they won&#039;t hold much sway in parliament unless specific elecorates are nagging their members... and then that comes back to our members voting in line with our feelings).  
 
That said, I agree with queenstuss, hooray for no dam. I have family who live in the far northern reaches of Brisbane (still not quite the Mary Valley so they have no vested interest) and (if I remember correctly) it was someone from that family telling me what a bad position that was for a dam. Apparently it doesn&#039;t have very good rainfall, has/would have a high evaporation rate (possibly due to surface area?), and then of course there&#039;s all the valuable agricultural land and threatened species that live there.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&quot;Pfft. A conscience vote has no chance of reflecting how the Australian community is feeling.&quot; </p>
<p>Well theoretically, it&#039;s supposed to. The idea is that as a democracy we have voted in politicians who feel the same way we do, and so they vote in line with our beliefs (especially on conscience votes when they&#039;re not restricted by party lines). Of course democracy is flawed and we often end up with politicians who do not feel the same way we do, but it&#039;s the closest way the government is going to get an indication of how the Australian community is feeling via a vote without going to a referendum. (Of course there are other non-voting ways such as polls and petitions etc but they won&#039;t hold much sway in parliament unless specific elecorates are nagging their members&#8230; and then that comes back to our members voting in line with our feelings).  </p>
<p>That said, I agree with queenstuss, hooray for no dam. I have family who live in the far northern reaches of Brisbane (still not quite the Mary Valley so they have no vested interest) and (if I remember correctly) it was someone from that family telling me what a bad position that was for a dam. Apparently it doesn&#039;t have very good rainfall, has/would have a high evaporation rate (possibly due to surface area?), and then of course there&#039;s all the valuable agricultural land and threatened species that live there.</p>
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		<title>By: queenstuss</title>
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		<dc:creator>queenstuss</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 09:02:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hooray for no dam.  The Mary Valley is too pretty, and provides too much by way of agriculture, to be under water.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hooray for no dam.  The Mary Valley is too pretty, and provides too much by way of agriculture, to be under water.</p>
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		<title>By: Nathan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nathan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 06:35:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m interested to know why you think non-hetero sexual couples have a right to have children. Which seems to be implied by your little analysis of the surrogacy laws.  
 
I don&#039;t know when children became a right. Was it when Madonna started pinching African babies? It seems a strange notion to me that every body has the right to be a parent.  
 
And I&#039;d be further curious to find out how this right to be a parent (assuming that&#039;s your stance) translates to how you can bring up your child - if your right to have a child is conferred by the state does the state get to dictate the way you raise them? Like can immunisations be forced onto children against the parent&#039;s will? What about religious indoctrination - can a parent teach their child whatever they want? 
 
There&#039;s a murky area that appears if we give the state the role of arbiter over childbirth (see China) and if we see childbirth as a right for all citizens.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#039;m interested to know why you think non-hetero sexual couples have a right to have children. Which seems to be implied by your little analysis of the surrogacy laws.  </p>
<p>I don&#039;t know when children became a right. Was it when Madonna started pinching African babies? It seems a strange notion to me that every body has the right to be a parent.  </p>
<p>And I&#039;d be further curious to find out how this right to be a parent (assuming that&#039;s your stance) translates to how you can bring up your child &#8211; if your right to have a child is conferred by the state does the state get to dictate the way you raise them? Like can immunisations be forced onto children against the parent&#039;s will? What about religious indoctrination &#8211; can a parent teach their child whatever they want? </p>
<p>There&#039;s a murky area that appears if we give the state the role of arbiter over childbirth (see China) and if we see childbirth as a right for all citizens.</p>
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